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The Five Best Brazilian Rosewood Dreadnought Acoustic Guitars

Wesman Todd Shaw started playing the guitar when he was 12 years old. He loves nothing more than to pick one up and pluck some strings.

The beautiful back-side of a Brazilian Rosewood dreadnought guitar provides more than just looks.

The beautiful back-side of a Brazilian Rosewood dreadnought guitar provides more than just looks.

Brazilian Rosewood And Adirondack Spruce

When you've hit that big lottery payout and you decide to spend some of it on acoustic guitars that are made from woods so rare that the price is still somewhat frightful, you head on down and you purchase a dreadnought of Brazilian rosewood and red Adirondack spruce. That is just how it goes, and boy, don't we all wish you'd purchase one for us too.

Having said all that, there ought to be some specifics about what Brazilian rosewood is, and why it is considered so special. Economics 101 could be said to be what makes Brazilian rosewood so special, and by economics 101 I entirely mean the laws of supply and demand. There is always, of course, much more to the story than simple economics 101, as we have yet to determine why the demand for such a thing is high, and why the supply is low.

Dalbergia nigra is the exact genus and species for the tree we refer to as Brazilian rosewood. It is only found in Brazil, so it can't much be confused with other species of rosewood. The wood from this tree is very hard, and it is very heavy, it has a wide array of coloration it may have, and also virtually unlimited grain patterns. Simply put, it is very beautiful to the eye, and has forever been sought after for that purpose, and was often used in very expensive furniture. Its strength and weight also made it ideal for structural beams in buildings, but all of that is rather depressing on this end, as the wood in the hands of guitar builders produces a tonal response unlike any other - harmonic overtones abound when Brazilian rosewood is used in conjunction with spruce soundboards.

Not everything in the world of Brazilian rosewood and acoustic guitars was ever perfectly wonderful, the wood is very difficult to shape into the body of a guitar, and besides that, it will sometimes inexplicably develop hairline cracks in it - regardless of how well kept the individual instrument might have been. These hairline cracks are really only a visual problem, and not so severe a structural one, but anyone that has paid for a Brazilian rosewood body guitar surely feels a huge deal of anguish over such instances, these instruments are lots of things, but inexpensive is never one of them.

In 1992 international legislation and agreements ended the deforestation of old grown Brazilian rosewood, but as it is, the stumps left from felled trees decades before is now yielding some wood, and some otherwise un used, or re used stocks of the wood still manages to turn up here and there - all highly prized by whoever gets it, and forever let it be known, this stuff is special.

This article will cover some of the finest guitars offered today with Brazilian rosewood, you can expect anything here but something cheap, or inexpensive. While I think it would be awful for someone to own any of these guitars and not spend a lot of time playing them, I also wish to advise that any of these should be looked at as an investment, as they are all very expensive. Fragile investments of wood, glue, abalone, frets and strings, bone nut, saddle, bridge pins, and tuning machines.

The Martin D-28GE Adirondack Spruce Top, Brazilian Rosewood Back and Sides

The Martin D-28GE frontal view

The Martin D-28GE frontal view

Same source, same individual guitar, D-28GE rear view.

Same source, same individual guitar, D-28GE rear view.

The Martin D-28GE

Originally, there was the Martin D-28, and in the 1930s on up to the second world war, the D-28 was made with both red Adirondack spruce, and Brazilian rosewood. The pre-war Martin D-28 guitars are among the most sought after instruments of any variety anywhere in the world, and have been for some time, will be, probably the rest of our human history. Bold statement? No, they are, along with a handful of other guitars, such as the Martin D-18GE, theStradivari of guitar.

As time went on and the second world war ended, C.F.Martin & Company made some decisions, and those decisions largely proved to be bad ones. The way in which the pre-world war two instruments were made was thought to equate to overly fragile guitars, and truth be told, they were fragile instruments, and they'd been built that way for tonality, not durability. Well, the management at Martin offered a lifetime warranty to original owners, and so they felt that by making their guitars sturdier, they'd save themselves a lot of free warranty work, and they did. The problem came when the public realized the Martin product was no longer as spectacular as it once was, but nothing changed at all with Martin until other companies started offering instruments built to the pre-world war two Martin specifications.

In 1969 C.F.Martin & Company switched from Brazilian rosewood to East Indian rosewood.. This is important to know, as anyone dating a Martin rosewood instrument should be able to see the single digit in the year making a ton of difference in the value of a guitar.

Mr. Shaw, you're not being so wonderfully clear here, you mentioned structural changes following the second world war, and then you skipped all the way up to 1969, to mention a change from the use of Brazilian rosewood, to East Indian rosewood, do you mind taking just a moment to go over these structural changes?

Hey sure, none of that is a problem, but first I must state that there is absolutely nothing "poor" about any of the Martin guitars ever made, there is only better or worse in regards to structure, or tonality, but as to answer the question, Martin stopped using the FORWARD shifted X brace, and instead, went to a REAR shifted X brace. The forward shifted X brace is often called a "high X brace," and the "X" of the brace is located about an inch towards the back of the sound hole towards the bridge of the guitar.

Martin designs are copied all over the world, and besides the external physical wood configurations and body being copied, the internal structure has forever been copied as well, and the "high X" brace is a hallmark of a guitar being a better one than one without it. But not only did Martin stop using the forward or high X brace, they also towards the end of the second world war, stopped scalloping their braces. If you'd like to see exactly what is meant by the term "scalloped braces," then I've got a great link for you to peruse here.

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Friends, who are we to say that Jimmy Page's D-28 a lesser guitar than the one formerly owned by the late Clarence White? Who are we to say that Johnny Cash's Bon Aqua D-28 was a lesser guitar than those owned by Tony Rice? There are a lot of factors involved in a guitar and its building, more than most folks realize, and the instrument is forever the sum of its parts, and not its specifications. The specifications, however, are often big factors insofar as who owns the thing, and especially is this true in regards to Brazilian rosewood.

There are, of course, more things to talk about here. What is important to know is that every single Martin D-28 with herringbone trip is a "high X" guitar, and the ones without herringbone trim, are simply not, those are your rear X braced guitars without scalloped bracing. Simple, right? Herringbone trip= high X or forward shifted X brace, and scalloped bracing, no herringbone trim = rear shifted X brace, and no scalloped bracing.

There is a lot more to the D-28GE than that, as the Martin HD-28VR is the Indian rosewood and sitka spruce guitar.Why put an "H" in front of the "D" for the HD-28VR? Just so you are certain to know it is a high X herringbone guitar. Why is the D-28GE not called the "HD-28GE?" I dunno, it is definitely a high X herringbone guitar....but I think the people at Martin think the "GE" for "golden era" ought to tell you everything. I'm the person that tries to explain it all so that it makes sense to folks trying to figure it out, you won't find anyone trying harder to do that for you, dearest reader.

Taylor 910 Cutaway With Brazilian Rosewood Back and Sides


The Taylor Thirty Fifth Anniversary Dreadnought With Brazilian Rosewood Back And Sides

Bob Taylor is a big man in the realm of acoustic guitars, and besides that, he practically controls the entire market in the USA insofar as ebony is concerned. Ebony is a pretty big deal in regards to woods for instrument building, but not as big a deal as is Brazilian rosewood, and Bob Taylor can get a hold on that stuff too, and then, having it, utilize it in some very special ways that nobody can really regret.

Now thirty five years into the history of Taylor guitars, we have Bob Taylor with enough Brazilian Rosewood to put out a limited edition dreadnought in commemoration, and for a cool sixteen thousand dollars, you too can own one.

The Taylor Guitar Company is a big company, but these guitars were personally designed by founder Bob Taylor, who also personally selected every cut of wood for every individual guitar of this model. Saying that Bob Taylor is a master builder, is well, and understatement. When shopping Taylor guitars in any price range from any configuration of woods, what ought to be known is that they are NOT built to be like Martin guitars, Bob Taylor's Taylor guitars are unique, braced differently (not using the Martin X bracing pattern), and voiced to sound like TAYLOR guitars, not Martin guitars, Gibson Guitars, or anyone else's guitars.

The Taylor 35th Anniversary Dreadnought is a guitar very similar to the Taylor 910, however, the Taylor 910 isn't an instrument that always features Brazilian rosewood, but has, along with the Taylor 810, also been available with the Brazilian rosewood upgrade as an option. Likewise, the Taylor 35th Anniversary Dreadnought is a combination of the two special woods, Adirondack or red spruce, and Brazilian rosewood. The Taylor 810 and 910 dreadnought guitars have from time to time been available or via the custom shop, definitely available with either or both of those woods rather than the standard Sitka spruce and East Indian rosewood. So in any case, I provided a nice front and back picture of a Taylor 910 with a soft cutaway featuring the Brazilian rosewood, mostly, so as the reader could get another shot of the wide variety of gran patter or coloration inherent in Brazilian rosewood.

The Taylor 35th Anniversary Dreadnought is also an acoustic/electric instrument with on board pre-amp and pickup, something Taylor has made a huge part of their guitar building. On the 35th Anniversary Dreadnought by Taylor, the Taylor Expression System, or "ES" is pretty much something I'd suspect that is groundbreaking insofar as capturing the essence of such a complex tonality as produced by Brazilian rosewood and Adirondack spruce. Two magnetic sensors for the red spruce soundboard, and an independent magnetic sensor for the strings make this Taylor Expression System and Brazilian rosewood 35th anniversary masterwork something truly special, and beyond the pale. .

A Santa Cruz 1934 Model D Brazilian Rosewood, Front, and Back.

The Guitar pictured as the frontal view photo for this beauty is not the same exact instrument as the photo showing the rear view. Same Santa Cruz 1934 D Brazilian Rosewood guitars, but not the EXACT front and back from a single instrument.

The Guitar pictured as the frontal view photo for this beauty is not the same exact instrument as the photo showing the rear view. Same Santa Cruz 1934 D Brazilian Rosewood guitars, but not the EXACT front and back from a single instrument.

I'm hoping that the reader uninitiated can from these photos see some of how Brazilian Rosewood was forever valued for its beauty.

I'm hoping that the reader uninitiated can from these photos see some of how Brazilian Rosewood was forever valued for its beauty.

The Santa Cruz 1934 D Brazilian Rosewood Dreadnought

Now I can't truly say enough to anyone how fine is any guitar produced by the Santa Cruz Guitar Company. I own a Santa Cruz Model "D," mine is the one hundred and thirty first guitar the company ever manufactured. I couldn't be more impressed with it, and anyone playing it skillfully would hardly be able to dazzle the guitar aficionado more with another make's instrument. Mine, however, is not this model, as mine wasn't so thoroughly and technologically tested and constructed as these are.

My friends, truth be known, I consider the Santa Cruz Guitar Company as the finest manufacturer of acoustic guitars on planet Earth.

Sure, I admit I am totally biased in favor of the Santa Cruz Guitar Company, and their guitars....and you probably thought I was the biggest C.F. Martin & Co fan on Earth, right? Well, I might be that, but I prefer Santa Cruz. Yes, I own one, Yeah, own a Martin too. So what? When it gets to this level of craftsmanship, things get tricky, and very very subjective, but if you ever happened to want to know what an eighteen thousand dollar acoustic guitar sounds like, the video below ought to let your ears hear it, and I swear to you had the same fella played the same thing on a three hundred dollar guitar, the difference would be so vast that the span of distance between New York City and Western Ireland...wouldn't much make for a good enough analogy.

So far as doing what I'm doing here, creating web pages I hope to be informative about what is easily one of my favorite subjects on the planet, high end acoustic guitars, Artisian Guitars with a dot and a com and without the spaces, is one of the better online resources for that, but I think I'm better, obviously, but Artisian Guitars had the following information to say about these beauties:

That is where the basis for Santa Cruz's 1934 D comes in. Not only replicating the methods and techniques used in the 1930s, but using pieces of wood cut then as well. Each piece of Brazilian Rosewood and Adirondack Spruce were cut in the 1930s - that's over 75 years of aging and crystallizing to allow the intense, balanced, rich, and unbelievably loud tone that Brazilian and Adirondack together are known for to shine. According to Richard Hoover, the Brazilian used on this guitar was downed using a method abandoned by about 1950; dating it to as early as the 1930s. Based on the growth rings, the living tree itself was over 150 years old.

For more and exact specifications for this, the likely to be finest Brazilian rosewood guitar available anywhere in the world, go here.

The Santa Cruz 1934 D Brazilian Rosewood

Bourgeois Vintage Dreadnought - Brazilian Rosewood and Adirondack Spruce


Bourgeois Vintage Dreadnought - Brazilian Rosewood and Adirondack Spruce

Now many times I've said this, and its worth saying again, C.F.Martin & Company is the source for all these guitars, the idea maker, the paradigm setting entity, the originator, so forth, and so on. Very often the guitars made by Martin are exquisite, superb, outstanding, and above the fold. Not all of them are, however, and I must state rather simply that I have never played a guitar made by the Santa Cruz Guitar Company that was not of the highest imaginable quality in regards to play-ability and also tonality. I have ONLY ever played one guitar made by the Bourgeois company, and it was as good as any Santa Cruz. In regard to the specifications of the thing, I'll list them below, please do know that these specifications are going to be very very similar to the same as are the Martin D-28GE specifications, and the Santa Cruz 1934 D's specifications.

Why does the Santa Cruz costs so much more? I'm not exactly certain. I can not truly claim it is "better" than any other guitar listed here.

  • Top: Adirondack
  • Back and Sides: Brazilian Rosewood
  • Scale: 25.5"
  • Nut Width: 1 3/4"
  • Neck Material: Mahogany
  • Fretboard: Ebony
  • Bridge: Ebony Belly
  • Bracing: Adirondack assembled with Hot Hide Glue
  • Headstock Shape: Solid
  • Headstock Overlay: Ziricote with Satin Finish
  • Headstock Inlay: Bourgeois Logo
  • Inlays: Long Pattern Square & Diamond
  • Rosette: B/W Fiber
  • Purfling: Vintage Style Herringbone Border w/ Black Purfling
  • Body Binding: Ivoroid
  • Fretboard Binding: Black
  • Backstrip: Zipper
  • Pickguard: Vintage
  • Nut Material: Bone
  • Saddle Material: Bone
  • Saddle Spacing: 2 5/16"
  • Bridge Pins: Fossil Ivory
  • Case: Hardshell Case Included
  • List Price: $8195

The Bourgeois Vintage Dreadnought

The Blueridge BR-260 Pre War style Brazilian rosewood dreadnought


The Blueridge BR-260 Brazilian rosewood dreadnought

Blueridge guitars are made in China. This does not make them cheap, it makes them less expensive. The craftsmanship of these instruments is extremely good, and the price is more right than you will ever know until you play one.

Brazilian rosewood provides a distinct tonal characteristic not found in its cousins. Chinese manufacturers are not faced with the same restraints as American ones, and so Chinese instrument builders can attain the precious wood far easier than can the good people in the USA and Canada. So, if price is prohibitive for you, but you demand the tonality in an instrument that only Brazilian rosewood can grant you. Blueridge is your guitar maker, and the Blueridge BR-260 is your guitar. Here are the specifications for this instrument, priced at around only twenty five hundred bucks.

  • Select solid Sitka Spruce top with hand-carved parabolic top braces in authentic prewar forward X-pattern
  • Premium, hand selected, solid Brazilian Rosewood back and sides, all of a matching set
  • Ebony fingerboard with pearl dot position markers and ebony bridge
  • Neck is a low profile, solid mahogany with a dovetail neck joint and adjustable truss rod with with traditional carved diamond volute detail
  • 1 11/16" nut width
  • Scale length of 25.5"
  • The headstock is beautifully adorned with an original, floral design, abalone and mother-of-pearl inlay
  • Natural high-gloss finish with aging toner is applied to the top for that perfect vintage look
  • Body is bound in grained ivoroid with traditional Herringbone purfling for that "Style 28" look
  • Bone nut and saddle
  • Saga's exclusive Dalmation, tortoise-style pickguard
  • Accurate vintage-style 14:1 ratio nickel-plated open-back tuners with butterbean-style buttons
  • Shop Adjusted

Blueridge BR-260 at The Fellowship of Acoustics

Conclusion - Brazilian Rosewood And The Dreadnought Guitar

I've played untold hundreds of steel string acoustic guitars in my life, maybe a thousand or more even. Brazilian rosewood guitars are indeed special, and those who've got the ears to hear it (I'd think picking up guitar tone nuances to be something that comes with more experienced fans and musicians) - all know what I say is true. East Indian rosewood is a very fine tonewood, but it is not Brazilian rosewood, it is just different.

I would not say here or to anyone that Brazilian rosewood is better or worse than mahogany, maple, East Indian rosewood, or any of the increasingly large number of tonewoods used for the backs and sides of acoustic guitars - I only say Brazilian rosewood is very unique, very beautiful, and completely different in looks and acoustic tonal response than any other wood, and that besides that, the demand vs supply of the stuff has made it very expensive, and our deforestation and lack of respect for the stuff in days gone by has made the supply vs demand what it is.

Do the prices offend you? They shouldn't. That is indeed just the way things tend to go, but if you own or can afford a Brazilian rosewood guitar, you will have something precious, and very valuable, and you might have something the future can not offer to you.

If you learn more about the wood and acoustic guitars in general, you just might find one for any ridiculously low price at someone's yard sale, garage sale, or at a flea market. Keep your eyes open!

Questions & Answers

Question: Jeff Huffman From Smithfield, NC is another excellent Luther. I own two of Jeff’s guitars, one is a pre-war Brazilian with red Adirondack, second one is a Cocobolo back and sides with a red Adirondack top. Everyone I speak to about Jeff are amazed at the craftsmanship of these beautiful instruments. Will we be seeing any of Jeff Huffman instruments in the future on this site ?

Answer: Well, I'd love to have the opportunity to write an article about these guitars. My primary problem in this is I've never seen one. I'm not nearly the only guitar enthusiast writing on this website, and so, it's entirely possible. It's also possible that I get to get out more, and see new stuff previously unseen. I'm not at all sad that there are always more brands than I've experienced, that's something to be excited about, in my opinion. Every year there seems to be more makes and models. Guitar is a very vast subject.


Pat on September 08, 2020:

I have lusted for years over the Santa Cruz 1934D Old growth Brazilian, and I am now the lucky owner of one. It is astonishing. I have owned Brazilians by Taylor, Martin, and Collings. Up to this point my favorite was a collings CW BaaaA due to high end sparkle and craftsmanship. My other favorite was an HD28 Brazilian/adi I had as well. It didn’t have the sparkle of the collings but had a thunderous and glassy sounding roar.

However, the Santa Cruz is just better than either. It just sounds like that Martin dread i had in my head but could never find before. It has an enlarged sound hole but it still has the low end thump which my CW lacked. BTW Preston Thompson makes a Brazilian/adi very close to this as well. I purchased a shipwreck Brazilian that did it all as well. It was dream guitar but I sent it back to the seller because it was way more beaten up than stated and it had a crack. It was also jaw dropping. However, it didn’t have that Martin sound where to me this Santa Cruz does. The 1934D is basically the best Martin dread you will likely ever come across in life. Santa Cruz does Martin better than Martin!

Also, I have owned 2 custom shop Martins. From my experience, they do a good job but can’t hold a candle to what the small bench guys do like Collings, Santa Cruz, etc.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on January 17, 2020:

Jim, I'm specifically glad you asked me about Sitka spruce.

My Santa Cruz model "D" from 1984 is my number one guitar, and to be very honest about it, I've only played a handful of dreadnoughts in my entire life which I felt were as good as mine.

It's Brazilian back and sides, and a Sitka spruce top.

I've owned guitars with the more expensive Adirondack tops, like the D-18GE I used to own, and that was an AMAZING guitar which I wish I still owned now, but I've never once thought Adirondack was better than Sitka

Yes, I know comparing a D-18GE to a Rosewood guitar isn't a perfect sort of comparison - but I'm a guy who's played countless guitars besides the ones I've owned.

Gosh. I can't seem to locate it just this instant, but somewhere on one of my pages I linked a very scientific piece where a guy goes into great detail about why Adirondack is not any better than high grade Sitka.

Of course tops are graded. The wider the grains on the tops, the higher the grade of spruce.

The only way to truly compare the two woods is to have two guitars, each with exactly the same specifications other than one having Sitka top and the other an Adi top.

And the top woods have to be of the same grade, preferably graded by the same exact person.

I admit I could possibly be wrong, as I'm no scientist, but there you have it.

Thanks for your compliment! I've been feeling down about some things. I've got a ton of drafts for new stuff to write though.

Jim Gould on January 17, 2020:

I own an HD-28 BLE. I hope they bury me with it. A wonderful guy, Jimmy Mouradian, who helped develop a Fishman pickup with Martin, installed one on mine before he passed, RIP. Great luthier. Crazy rich sound amplified.

What is your opinion on the Sitka Spruce top? It's the only negative that I've heard, but, to me, I couldn't imagine better tone...

Thanks - awesome site. You do a great, important job!!

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 15, 2017:

I know it is, Jimmy. Breedlove competes extremely well in whatever price range one is shopping.

jimmyd336 on June 15, 2017:

I own a Breedlove masterclass exclusive Dread, Great BRW Guitar

Brad on September 09, 2016:

I can't say anything bad about Santa Cruz or Bourgeois guitars. They're stunning in terms of beauty and each one is crafted to perfection. But it's subjective to say they don't manufacturer a guitar that isnt above standard while the likes of Martin or Taylor do. The sheer volume of guitars make this something that's just going to happen. If Martin only made 300-400 guitars a year Id lay every dollar I've ever made and ever will make that they don't produce a guitar that's not absolutely great. Nothing against Santa Cruz or any other small guitar maker, but you can't say well I've played Martins that weren't up to scratch but I've never played a Santa Cruz that wasn't great when Martin is producing however many times more guitars on a yearly basis and considering they've been doing it since the 1830s that's a lot of damn guitars. Anyone knows there is a bunch of them not up to world class standards. If Santa Cruz made 5,000 guitars a year even a few wouldn't be as great as the others. At 16,000 dollars for a dreadnought in Brazilian rosewood I would much rather have a Martin D-45 standard with East Indian RW and a Martin D-18 standard in mahogany. I am younger so all my Martins have east Indian or madagascar RW but my grandfather has a few vintage Martins with brazilian RW. His vintage Martins sound great, but to say Brazilian RW soumds better isn't always the case. Indian RW has an equally beautiful tone and so does Madagascar for that matter though madagascar is a bit of a different tone the Indian RW is equally as grand in my eyes. Other than brazilian most of the time having more figure I would never buy a Santa Cruz in Brazilian or 16k when I could get 3 to 4 Martin standard series guitars featuring east Indian or mahogany for the same price. Santa Cruz is great and so Is Martin, but no guitar is worth 16k when they are producing so many 5k acoustic guitars that are loaded with world class tone.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on July 26, 2016:

I don't think it will grow anywhere else, Phil. But I'm no botanist.

I'm just hoping the species recovers to where it can be harvested again. In the meantime though, we've moved on to where we use Madagascar's rosewood on the most expensive guitars.

East Indian rosewood is a great rosewood too, but it doesn't elicit the oohs and ahhhs.

Phill on July 26, 2016:

I don't get it, why is this wood so rare? Like, why don't they take a seed of brazilian rosewood and just grow brazilian rosewood in other places, and plant and harvest the wood for this particular goal, making instruments?

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on January 05, 2016:

There is little I love more than 'kicking tires' in a guitar center, etc! I could do it all day, every day!

stella vadakin from 3460NW 50 St Bell, Fl32619 on October 20, 2015:

This is a great article and I really like the thinking on the D-28. I have one and it is a great guitar. The wood gives the sound and I could go though 100 guitars and each would sound different. I have a few guitars that do not make your list but sound great. I keep them for that reason. I have a Martin D2r that sound so good people think its a D-28, it is a 1995. I love trying out all guitars.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on October 08, 2013:

Bobbywrham - now I don't know what ebay's rules are, or the rules for selling on consignment at your nearest Guitar Center or private high end music/guitar store....BUT, I do know the Martin D-18GE I sold at Charley's Guitar Shop in Dallas had no strings to the sale.

In other words, the people at Charley's would call and say, "I can sell your guitar, and you'd get X amount today."

I can't remember for sure, but I believe there was a ten or fifteen percent of the sale that would be theirs, i.e., the guitar store's.

Sometimes those folks are real sharks though...they could have told me I'd get less than I wanted while they sold the thing for more than they told me so as to get a larger cut for the store.

The thing was I owed Charley's Guitar Shop NOTHING if the guitar didn't sell. I could simply go pick it up any time I wanted to. So that leaves me thinking you should be able to put the guitar up for sale in a nice guitar show while ALSO having it for sale online someplace like ebay...and if someone is shopping for a Mossman online, then you can bet they'd shop ebay regardless of whether or not they lived near to a nice sized music store which stocks high end acoustic guitars.

...but I can also imagine that it could possibly be against someone or another's rules were you to be selling the guitar in multiple venues.

I just don't know.

Yeah you practically stole that Mossman!!! :) That's the great thing about something like a Mossman - lots of folks won't even know what it is simply for having never heard of it before.

I think maybe when you lived further North your guitar may have become too dehydrated. I know folks who live in cold climates sometimes have to run humidifies around their very nice acoustic stringed instruments because the heaters dry out the air so much.

Bobbywrham on October 08, 2013:

I forgot, I play this guitar, so I have good strings, although I go with a light Gauge Strings, I fingerpick . I tried D'Addario Phos Bronze, to see if it would brighten it up, but my opinion on those ... CRAP. The wound strings look like yarn in a month. lol The wood is good, no bad bows, just the good one on the back. This box hasn't even been a gigger. I don't think it has been played much. I think it would go without the pickguard. There has been a crack repair by the tuner, but it doesn't look bad at all. I'm in FLA. I couldn't believe how much better it sounds in this climate, than up north.

Bobbywrham on October 08, 2013:

I really appreciate your great advice. I have been unemployed for two months, or it would never cross my mind to sell it. I bought this guitar with original OHC at a THRIFT STORE. I was poking around on a Sunday with my Wife and kids, and every time I see an axe in case, I look at it. I was expecting the usual Korean Plywood axe in a way too nice case. Well I saw the CA Mossman name, and said "I'll take this" without even knowing the actual price. They were closing the store, and shooing everyone out the door, when I asked about it she said "it's not priced yet, the Mgr. will put a price on it tonight. Well, they opened at 9AM the next morning. I got there at 8:30, and there were 7 cars all lined up. I purposefully drove past all the cars; they all had Bluegrass & Music Bumper stickers. After saying "oh crap" it occurred to me to wait by the door. I got out of my car and walked up to the door... of course all the other gentleman did the same. It was hilarious, nobody was making eye contact, nor were they "talking shop" When the door opened, I walked over to the Counter and told the young lady I was there to pick up the Guitar from yesterday, (The six or seven guys standing right behind me sighed and walked away.) , and she said she would see if the MGR had priced it. She comes out in a minute bringing the axe and says "Sir, the Mgr. priced this one a little high because it has a hard case." No problem"...she rings it up and says $199.00, then she said "oops I messed up, Monday is 25% off day", and rings it with the discount. I walked out of the store, not fully believing my good fortune. I will try to find my camera chord, and post some pics. I'm going to take it to a Luthier and give it the once over. I will keep you updated. Thanks for your help. If you know anyone that wants it, I can ship it. Take a look at the pics when I get them up; I'll let you know.Thanks again

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on October 08, 2013:

Bobbywrham - if you can find the right backside for that tuning machine which needs one. I'd go ahead and buy that, and put it on the guitar. I don't think anyone is going to be bothered that it's not the exact original covering so long as it matches the other Grover's on the guitar.

I probably wouldn't even mention that tuning key cover not being the original.

Lots of folks simply prefer the looks of a guitar like yours without a pickguard on it. Unless the top is discolored a whole lot from where the original pickguard used to be I'd not worry about that detail too much either.

I know one thing for sure...I wouldn't glue another pick guard on there myself. I....I'd have to have someone at a guitar shop do that for me. I'd imagine there is a specific kind of glue to use; and it would worry me less to have someone who already has it, and does that kind of thing often do it for me. It couldn't cost too much to have a pickguard put on it.

I think your best two options are 1. selling the guitar on consignment at a music store that regularly stocks Martin, Gibson, Taylor, etc, guitars.

1.a - if you sold it at a guitar store on consignment then you could probably get the people at the store to handle the Grover tuning machine cover, AND the pickguard thing for you, and possibly for free, or covered in their take from the sale.

2. You could sell it on ebay

Now, I've never sold anything on ebay personally. I DO sell guitars from these articles on ebay, but of course those are guitars someone else owns, and I don't make much of anything on that.

I'm just saying that I don't personally have experience with selling things on ebay, and I'm not certain what their rules are exactly...but I THINK you can ask high and wait to see what offers you get while keeping hidden what other persons have bid.

I think you should get a good polishing rag, some good wood polish or guitar specific polish, polish the guitar up really nice, and take several good pictures of it from every angle.

You need the guitar to look as nice as it probably sounds. It couldn't hurt to put new strings on it either.

Of course you need the pictures if you sell it on ebay.

Now...I wouldn't sell that guitar at all, or I like to tell myself that; but I've needed money and sold very nice guitars at consignment shops, and I've regretted it. Mostly, I regretted taking less than I wanted ...but this was because I REALLY needed the money.

Just don't take less than want.

3.If you mess with Facebook you could upload the pictures, etc; and put the guitar up for sale in Bluegrass themed groups, and on acoustic guitar themed pages. I've spoke to one guy who an acoustic guitar page on Facebook, and he told me about all the guitars he owned, and that his Mossman was his very favorite.

Bobbywrham on October 08, 2013:

It is this exact guitar, the serial number is 771, mine is 795. It is a Flint Hills . What would you do to get top $$ for it?

Bobbywrham on October 08, 2013:

I have some pics on my phone but no 4G on the phone. I could send a pic of the sound hole as an SMS if you had a number. (you can't give your cell to everyone, but you probably already can tell I'm not one of the wackos) lol

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on October 08, 2013:

Bobbywrham, do you have pictures of the guitar online anywhere like photobucket or...some place where they'd be public?

Getting the backside to that Grover tuner ought not be too hard, but of course those coverings on those aren't really much important.

I wonder what happened to the pickguard? Mossman guitars were using a different shape pickgutard than either Martin or Gibson. I sure wouldn't put a pickguard on it unless you happened into one which was the exact shape as Mossman's had.

I imagine you know already your guitar is rosewood back and sides??

The "Flint Hills" model Mossman was East Indian rosewood back and sides, the "Great Plains" model was Brazilian back and sides. The Great Plains model always had herringbone inlay around the soundhole.

So if your guitar doesn't have the herringbone around the soundhole, and is rosewood, then I'm betting it is a Flint Hills model.

Here is a page with descriptions and sale prices for Mossman guitars sold used from this store. I hope something on this page gives you a decent ballpark asking price.

Bobbywrham on October 07, 2013:

Hi you might be able to help me... I have a CS Mossman Acoustic, and the serial number is 74-795 so I know it's pre fire, and my question is how do I determine the model? This axe has the original sticker on the inside, it has never been re fretted, never had neckwork. It has the back missing off one grover tuner, and it is missing the pickguard, for some reason. Also is there anywhere I can get any documentation on it? I also have the perfect original hardcase, and even the original chrome cumbersome capo. I would like to determine the value, and sell it. If you could help me at all, I would appreciate it.

Useray from South Africa on January 12, 2013:

I have to agree, Taylor guitars are quite pricey. From I have heard (all I can afford), they have beautiful tone and quality on their body is uncompromising.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on November 22, 2012:

Taylor guitars are VERY loud too!

I've got a Santa Cruz that is a sound cannon - and their Indian rosewood guitars are WAY more affordable than the Brazilian ones are, of course.

Walter Holokai from Youngstown, Ohio on November 22, 2012:

These guitars sound so very excellent too bad I can't afford any of them.

One of these days I'm going to break down and buy a Martin. The acoustic volume on them seems louder than on others. Even the cheap Martins have good volume. Thanks WTS!

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on August 23, 2012:

Glimmer Twin Fan - DEFINITELY!!!!!!!!! Take pictures of it, research it, make a hub about it!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks very much!

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on August 23, 2012:


Absolutely! Do it, and if you can - take a few pictures!!!!!! You know I'll love that, if I lived there - that would be THE place I wanted to work. I'd beg those people for a job every week....I'd so love to sell guitars.

Claudia Mitchell on August 22, 2012:

Wow, you really know your guitars! I ought to take a second look at the one my dad gave me a few years ago. He doesn't play it anymore and we don't either. Interesting hub.

Crin Forbes from Michigan on August 21, 2012:

i will definitely have to write a story about them. I don't know if you can call them big space wise. Their building seems to have been a residence at one time. The have a lot of floor space, however I have seen places much bigger than theirs.

They don't bother you if you look around. They ask you if you need help and ask all sort of questions if you have any. Actually it is annoying at times, because every person passing by wants to help you out...

They have a very good repair shop. They are busy, doing a lot of evaluation of guitars, and fixes, and they even broker deals for people interested in certain types.

I have to do a story on them. I am sure that you and your audience will enjoy it.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on August 21, 2012:

Crin I just walk into the places in Dallas...Guitar Centers, etc, that have very expensive guitars...and I just pick them up and play every one of them for a while.

I think the guitars themselves are works of art, and no two is even remotely similar - even were they built by the same guy out of the exact same trees to the most exact same specifications - every piece of wood just sounds different. Sometimes there is a BIG difference between two matching models of the same guitar, other might be imperceptible to the ear, but its there.

In Tyler there is a store, and a lot of the time I see their ads on my pages about guitars....but I do not really like their store so much - they keep the room with the very fine acoustic guitars LOCKED!!!

I imagine Elderly is probably a very large store...but it might not be, they might just have the best run and put together website!!!! Their images and pages always tend to come up very high in search results, and they always seem to have the guitar I want to write about here too.

I was probably distracted or trying to do ten things at once the first time I'd seen your profile - I apologize profusely for not paying enough attention!!!!!!!

Crin Forbes from Michigan on August 21, 2012:

Ha, ha, ha Todd, it seems that I have to use pen names to be recognized by you....

I probably should pay a visit to the guys at Elderly and write a hub on their store. I did not realize what a valuable place that is. I really like the place, although me and musical instruments are not mixing. It is like a museum though. And some of the prices they are displaying are down right scary. It is hard to imagine that instruments so expensive can be touched by anyone.

Randy Godwin from Southern Georgia on August 21, 2012:

Cool beans, Wesman! I can't wait to learn a few things from you! :)


Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on August 21, 2012:

Hey Randy!!!!!!

Sooner or later I'm going to annoy the hell out of you....soon as I get me some kinda gear to make decent videos myself, I'm going to attempt to do some simple guitar lessons here....or at least that is one of my dozens of plans :)

Oh I bet I love your acoustic guitars too! I ain't even got to meet them!

Randy Godwin from Southern Georgia on August 21, 2012:

Great hub, Wesman! You've taught me a few things about these guitars I haven't learned over my quite extensive guitar playing career. I love acoustic guitars even though I played mostly electric models during my years as a professional. Rated up, of course!


Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on August 21, 2012:


I didn't even realize I was talking to you the first time I saw this new profile!!!!!!!

I KNOW NOW THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!


I use them for researching various and sundry guitars ALL THE TIME.

Crin Forbes from Michigan on August 21, 2012:


I like your style, this is not a secret, and I like your passion for the guitars, unfortunately this is as far as I can go on the topic. I like music, and I like acoustic guitar music, however this is as close as I can get to one. My musical talent as a performer is from zero to infinity. However I love the music.

If I were offered one of these oldies, I would not take it, because not being able to play it means that I steal somebody else's chance to play, but I like reading about them and listening to those who can play.

If you ever happen to be in Lansing Michigan, stop to see Elderly's Music. It is a store with a long tradition in dealing, and fixing string instruments. There is the place where I saw same of the guitars that you are talking about.

Thank you for the read.

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